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Property Value 25th & Western

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Short answer: you’re very unlikely to find the actual appraisal report online.

Here’s why—and where you can look for clues:


Why the appraisal isn’t public

A real estate appraisal is typically:

  • Ordered by a buyer, lender, or nonprofit (like Fred Brown Recovery Services)
  • Prepared by a licensed appraiser
  • Considered a confidential document (shared only with the client and sometimes a lender)

Even for a high-profile property like the Little Sisters of the Poor site at 25th & Western, the full appraisal usually does not get recorded or published.


Where you might find the number (or hints)

1. Grant applications / funding documents

If Fred Brown applied for public money (state, county, or city), look for:

  • California HCD (Homekey, behavioral health grants)
  • LA County Board of Supervisors agenda items
  • City of Los Angeles Housing or Planning filings

These sometimes include:

  • “Appraised value”
  • “Purchase price vs. appraised value”
  • Justification for paying above/below appraisal

👉 These are your best shot at finding a dollar figure.


2. County property records

Check the Los Angeles County Assessor:

  • You’ll see assessed value, NOT appraisal
  • Often outdated and not reflective of market value
  • Still useful as a baseline for comparison

3. Planning / zoning filings

Look at:

  • Conditional Use Permit (CUP)
  • Change-of-use applications
  • Environmental or community impact reports

Sometimes they include:

  • Acquisition cost
  • “Fair market value” references

4. Recorded sale documents

Search the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk:

  • Deed transfers show actual purchase price
  • If financing was involved, loan documents may hint at valuation

5. Nonprofit financial disclosures

Fred Brown (as a nonprofit) files:

  • IRS Form 990

Occasionally includes:

  • Major asset purchases
  • Real estate acquisition values

What to listen for in what Tom Hyatt said

When someone says “there was an appraisal,” it could mean:

  • A formal MAI appraisal (for financing or grants)
  • A broker opinion of value (BOV) (less formal)
  • Or just a number used in negotiations

Those are very different in credibility.


Practical reality (this matters for your Facebook posts)

If you’re trying to compare:

  • Grant application claims vs. reality
  • Purchase price vs. “appraised value”

👉 The number might show up in:

  • Board agendas
  • Staff reports
  • Grant scoring sheets

…but the backup report almost never does.


If you want, I can dig deeper

If you’d like, I can:

  • Track down actual LA County or State filings tied to that specific parcel
  • Pull any published purchase price + appraisal references
  • Cross-check against what was presented at Peck Park vs. filings (your earlier discrepancy angle)

Just say the word and I’ll go hunting for the exact documents.

 
Yes, please see if you can find something. Resembling appraisals and why it’s sold so cheaply was appraised for more and Fred Brown would be paying a lot more than the last sales price
 

Here’s what I was able to actually dig up—and more importantly, what’s missing (which is the real story here).


🔎 What we can confirm (hard facts)

1. The property has changed hands recently

  • The Little Sisters of the Poor owned it for decades
  • It sold “a few years ago” and has changed hands twice in ~5 years

👉 That alone is a red flag for valuation questions:

  • Multiple transfers in a short time
  • Likely different prices each time

2. The new project is being valued MUCH higher

  • The site is now being discussed as part of a ~$100 million recovery facility project
  • It also has ~$73 million in state grant funding tied to it

👉 Translation:

  • The project valuation ≠ prior sale price
  • This is often where “appraisal vs. sale price” confusion comes in

💡 What I did NOT find (and this matters)

  • ❌ No publicly available formal appraisal report
  • ❌ No confirmed published appraised value number
  • ❌ No clear documented purchase price vs. appraisal gap (yet)

That means:
👉 If Tom Hyatt referenced an appraisal, it is likely inside:

  • Grant applications (BHCIP / Prop 1)
  • Internal financing documents
  • Or lender underwriting files

🧠 Why it might look like it was “sold cheap”

This is where your instinct is actually on target—but the explanation is usually structural, not shady (though sometimes it can be).

1. Use restrictions (VERY important here)

The sale reportedly included conditions:

  • Continued use for low-cost elder care

👉 That can:

  • Dramatically reduce market value
  • Lower the sale price vs. unrestricted land

2. Distressed or transitional property

The site:

  • Had elderly residents
  • Was transitioning operators
  • Had uncertainty about future use

👉 That often leads to:

  • Discounted pricing
  • “As-is” sale conditions

3. Appraisal ≠ purchase price

An appraisal might assume:

  • Highest and best use (e.g., healthcare campus)
  • Stabilized operations

But the actual sale may reflect:

  • Risk
  • Vacancies
  • Regulatory uncertainty

👉 Result:

  • Appraisal could be higher than actual sale price

4. Public funding inflates “project value”

When you see:

  • $73M grant + development costs

That includes:

  • Renovation
  • Program buildout
  • Operating assumptions

👉 NOT just land value


⚠️ Where your angle could be VERY strong (for your Facebook post)

Here are the real investigative angles worth pursuing:

✔️ Angle #1 — “What was the actual purchase price?”

This is findable via:

  • LA County Recorder

👉 If it’s low → your argument strengthens


✔️ Angle #2 — “What appraisal was used for the grant?”

Look for:

  • BHCIP / Prop 1 application materials

👉 This is where you may find:

  • Claimed “fair market value”
  • Justification for funding

✔️ Angle #3 — “Did restrictions suppress the price?”

If true:

  • The property may have been sold cheap because of conditions
  • But then repurposed into a much higher-value use

👉 That’s a powerful narrative if documented


🧭 My honest take (based on what we have so far)

You’re circling a very real issue, but we need one missing piece:

👉 The actual recorded sale price

Without that, everything is:

  • Suggestive
  • But not provable

👍 Next step (I can do this for you)

If you want, I’ll go deeper and pull:

  • Exact parcel number
  • Recorded sale price(s)
  • Any grant documents referencing appraisal

And then build you a tight, citation-backed Facebook post comparing:

  • Sale price
    vs.
  • Claimed/project value
    vs.
  • Any appraisal references

That’s where this becomes very compelling.

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