
Employer’s Group Health Plan vs Medicare
Medicare vs. Employer Insurance:
Should You Enroll or Wait?
- If you have health insurance through your job or your spouse’s job, turning 65 does not automatically mean you must leave the employer plan. The first question is which coverage pays first: Medicare or the employer plan?
- Fewer than 20 employees? Medicare generally pays first. Check whether you need Part A and Part B so the employer plan pays claims as you expect.
- 20 or more employees? The employer plan generally pays first while the qualifying employment and group coverage continue. You may be able to delay Part B.
- COBRA or retiree coverage? These have different Medicare enrollment rules from coverage based on current employment.
- See my web page — Medicare and other insurance: who pays first?
- Fact Sheet Medicare Decisions for Someone Nearing Age 65 Medicare.Gov
- For the detailed federal rules, see Medicare.gov — Who pays first?.
- Confirm how your particular plan pays claims with its benefits administrator.
Five Questions to Answer Before You Decide
- Whose job provides the insurance?
- Is it your current job, your spouse’s current job, a former employer, or something else?
- How many employees does the employer have?
- Ask whether it participates in a multiemployer plan, which can change the usual payment order.
- Who pays first?
- Ask the benefits administrator how claims would be paid if you did not enroll in Medicare Part A or Part B.
- Is your prescription coverage creditable for Part D?
- Ask for the plan’s written Notice of Creditable Coverage and keep it.
- Do you contribute to a Health Savings Account (HSA)?
- Medicare enrollment can affect when you must stop making HSA contributions.
Write down the answers before cancelling coverage or deciding to delay Medicare.
If the Employer Has Fewer Than 20 Employees
For someone eligible for Medicare because of age, Medicare generally pays first when coverage comes from a current employer with fewer than 20 employees. The employer plan may pay second under its own terms. Ask whether the employer participates in a multiemployer plan, because an exception may apply.
- Ask the group plan: “If I do not enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B, exactly what will this plan pay?”
- If Medicare should have paid first, the group plan might not cover bills as you expected when you lack Medicare coverage.
- Check your enrollment dates promptly. A delay can create a gap in coverage or a Part B late enrollment penalty, depending on your circumstances.
- Before dropping the employer plan, check what would happen to a spouse or dependent who also uses it.
See my web page — How to enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B.
For the payment-order details, see Medicare.gov — Who pays first?.
If the Employer Has 20 or More Employees
If you are 65 or older and insured through your or your spouse’s current employment, the group health plan generally pays first when the employer has 20 or more employees. Medicare may pay second if you are enrolled in it.
- You may be able to delay Part B without a late enrollment penalty while qualifying employment and group coverage continue.
- Ask HR to confirm how the plan coordinates with Medicare and whether your coverage qualifies for a later Part B Special Enrollment Period.
- Compare the employer plan’s premiums, doctors, hospitals, prescriptions, deductibles and family coverage with your Medicare choices.
- If you are already receiving Social Security benefits, check whether you were automatically enrolled in Part A and Part B.
See my web page — Should you enroll in Part B or wait?
See also Medicare.gov — Working past 65.
When You Retire or Lose Employer Coverage
If you qualified to delay Part B because you had group health coverage through your or your spouse’s current employment, you generally have an eight-month Part B Special Enrollment Period after the employment or qualifying coverage ends, whichever happens first.
- Plan ahead: If you want Part B to start when the employer plan ends, begin the enrollment process before your group coverage ends.
- Already have Part A? You may need an application for Part B and proof of group coverage based on current employment, commonly provided on form CMS-L564.
- Keep records: Save documents showing your employment, your group coverage and the dates each ended.
- Check separate deadlines: Part B, Medicare Advantage and Part D enrollment do not all use the same rules.
See my web page — Part B Special Enrollment Period, forms and employer verification.
Ready to apply? See my web page — Enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B.
COBRA and Retiree Insurance:
Check the Medicare Rules
- COBRA: Choosing COBRA generally does not extend your eight-month Part B Special Enrollment Period after qualifying employment or group coverage ends. Do not wait for COBRA to expire before checking your Medicare deadline.
- See my web page — COBRA and California Cal-COBRA.
- Retiree insurance: Coverage from a former employer is different from coverage through current employment. The retiree plan may expect Medicare to pay first and may reduce or deny what it pays if you do not have Part A and Part B.
- Before joining a separate Medicare plan: Ask the retiree plan whether that choice could change coverage for you, your spouse or your dependents.
- If you delayed Part B: Check your eligibility and deadline now.
- See my web page — Part B Special Enrollment Period.
Prescription Coverage and Health Savings Accounts
- Part D:
- Ask whether the employer plan’s prescription benefit is creditable, meaning Medicare considers it at least as good as standard Part D coverage. Keep the plan’s written Notice of Creditable Coverage.
- After you become eligible for Part D, going 63 days or more without Medicare drug coverage or other creditable drug coverage can lead to a late enrollment penalty.
- See Medicare.gov — Creditable prescription drug coverage.
- HSA:
- Once your Medicare coverage begins, you generally cannot make new tax-favored HSA contributions. Premium-free Part A can begin retroactively when you enroll after 65, so check the dates before you or your employer continues contributing.
- See Medicare.gov — Working past 65.
What Happens to Your Spouse or Dependents?
Your Medicare decision does not automatically settle what happens to everyone else covered by the employer plan. Ask the benefits administrator before you drop or change group coverage.
- Can your spouse or dependents remain on the employer plan if you enroll in Medicare?
- If they say no, email us, we think that’s the wrong answer!
- Will their eligibility or premiums change if you leave the group plan?
- What will the household pay under each choice?
- Employer-plan premiums and out-of-pocket costs.
- Medicare Part B premiums and any additional Medicare coverage you choose.
- Separate coverage, if needed, for a spouse or dependent.
If you are considering a Medicare Supplement after employer coverage, see my web page —
Still Working?
Ask Steve About Your Choices
- Medicare and retirement benefits are separate decisions. You can enroll in Medicare without starting Social Security retirement benefits.
- See my web page — Enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B.
- Thinking of collecting Social Security while you continue working?
- See my web page — How working affects Social Security retirement benefits.
For help comparing your employer plan with Medicare, email Steve Shorr. It helps to include:
- Whether coverage is through your job, your spouse’s job, COBRA or a retiree plan.
- The employer’s approximate number of employees and when coverage may end.
- Whether you already have Medicare Part A or Part B.
- Whether a spouse or dependent also uses the group plan.
- Whether you or the employer contribute to an HSA.
To send an insurance ID card, coverage letter or other document, use the secure upload link on my contact page.
Related Pages and Detailed References
My web pages
- My web page — Medicare and other insurance: who pays first?
- My web page — Enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B
- My web page — Part B Special Enrollment Period
- My web page — COBRA and California Cal-COBRA
Official Medicare references
Related Child & Sibling Pages
- General Enrollment Period GEP January through March if you didn’t sign up on time
- Medicare enrollment, if covered by Employer Plan? Retiring?
- Medicare Part B Late Enrollment Penalty
- Medicare Part B Special Enrollment Period (SEP) if you had employer coverage
- MSP Medicare Savings Program Medi Cal pays Part B premium
- VA compared to Medicare A, B, C, D & Medi Gap
- Why Is Medicare Billing Me for 3 or 4 Months at Once?
- What does Part A Hospital and Part B Doctor Visits cover
Does your employer have more or less than 20 Employees?
Start Here —
Medicare and Employer Group Health Coverage
If you are still working, covered by an employer group health plan, or retiring soon, the most important question is:
who pays first — Medicare or the employer plan?
The answer usually depends on employer size, whether the coverage is based on current employment, whether you have COBRA or retiree coverage, and whether you already enrolled in Medicare.
Important Medicare Rule for Small Employers
If your employer has fewer than 20 employees, Medicare is generally primary and may pay before your employer group health plan.
If you delay Medicare Part A or Part B when Medicare should have been primary, you could face:
- Denied claims
- Coverage gaps
- Part B late enrollment penalties
- Unexpected medical bills
This is one of the most misunderstood Medicare employer coverage rules.
Quick Medicare Employer Coverage Guide
| Situation | Where to Start |
|---|---|
| Employer has fewer than 20 employees | Read the small employer section below |
| Employer has 20 or more employees | Read the 20+ employee section below |
| COBRA or retiree coverage | Medicare and Other Insurance — Who Pays First? |
| You delayed Part B | Part B Enrollment and Penalties |
| Medi-Gap rights after employer coverage | Medicare Supplement Guaranteed Acceptance |
Medicare and Other Insurance — Who Pays First?
This page focuses on Medicare and employer group health coverage.
For broader “who pays first?” situations — including COBRA, retiree coverage, Medicaid, liability insurance, workers compensation, and dual coverage situations — see my separate Medicare dual coverage page.
If your Employer Group Insurance has Fewer than 20 Employees
Medicare generally becomes primary when the employer has fewer than 20 employees. This is one of the most important Medicare employer coverage rules and one of the most misunderstood.
If Medicare should have been primary and you delayed Part B, your employer plan may not pay claims the way you expected.
Medicare vs Employer Group Coverage When There Are More Than 20 Employees
If you have active employer group health coverage through current employment and the employer has 20 or more employees, you may be able to delay Medicare Part B without a lifetime penalty.
COBRA and retiree coverage are treated differently from active employer coverage.
Important — Let Your Employer Know You’re Eligible for Medicare A & B
Your employer or benefits administrator may need to coordinate your group coverage with Medicare. Medicare eligibility can affect how claims are processed and which coverage pays first. Learn More
Questions About Employer Coverage and Medicare?
Medicare employer coverage rules can be confusing. A mistake may cause penalties, denied claims, or gaps in coverage.
Email Steve with your employer size, retirement plans, current Health Plans and Medicare questions.
Introduction
Medicare & Employer Health Plans?
If you are covered by an Employer Group Health Plan Health Care Advocates Definition, then when you or your spouse turn 65 and become eligible for Medicare Part A Hospital and Part B Dr. Visits, there are several things to look into, check out and make decisions on:
- Does your employer’s health insurance plan have more or less than 20 employees?
- If fewer than 20, you MUST sign up for Medicare A & B as Medicare is Primary which means Medicare pays any bills first and if they don’t pay in full, then other coverage you might have, like your Employers Group health plan would pay. This may also mean, if you don’t have Medicare, you don’t get your bills paid! You must enroll in Medicare when you are supposed to, if not, there are penalties!
- Medicare rights.org/Medicare-and-Current-Employer-Insurance-Scenario
- Supplementing Medicare: Retiree Plans 04-06-21 Hi Cap
- Coverage While You and Your Spouse Work 04-06-21 Hi Cap
- Don’t just take our summary. Medicare’s rules are very complex and confusing. The rules are not ours, they are Medicare’s, CA State, Insurance Company etc.
- Follow the links, official brochures and footnotes below for the exact forms and citations you need. There are penalties if things are done even just a tiny bit wrong.
If your Employer Group Insurance has
#Fewer than 20 employees
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If you work for an employer who has fewer than 20 employees, Medicare will be primary and pays before your other coverage. You MUST sign up for Part A and Part B * when you’re first eligible.
- There may also be Part A penalties if you have to pay a premium because you don’t qualify for Premium Free Part A along with having to wait to get your coverage.
- For more information see the Special Enrollment Periods) for when you lose Group Coverage!
- FAQ’s on should you enroll from Medicare.gov
- medicare.gov/working-past-65
- Medicare-Eligible Employees Pose HR Challenges SHRM
- Branden Benefits.com
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We have seen a situation where the employee did not enroll in Medicare Part B thinking he had coverage through his company’s health insurance. A major medical event occurred and the health insurance company did not cover medical expenses that should have been covered by Medicare Part A & B. This left the employee with a large financial exposure.
The employer had been misinformed by the group health insurance agent who was not aware of the Medicare Part B requirement for companies with less than 20 employees.
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- ca health advocates.org/other-health-insurance/employer-coverage
- medicare rights.org/Medicare-and-Current-Employer-Insurance-Scenario
- SCROLL DOWN for more information and details!
Just Turning 65? Less than 20 Employees
Enroll 1st in Medicare Parts A Hospital and B Dr. Visits
Then we can help you with Medi Gap, Part D Rx or Medicare Advantage
FAQ
Staying on Employer Plan — This question was asked a few years back, so the numbers might be old.
- I turned 65 a few months ago, I’m still working and I’ve stayed on my employers group plan.
- 1. If I cancel my current medical insurance, with my employer, then I guess I would need to sign up for Medicare part “B”, right?
- 2. My income probably falls into the first tier so there would be a premium of $205 +/-
- 3. Then I would need a Medicare Supplemental plan like my High Deductible F or Plan G so another premium of $xxx or so, right?
- 4. Then another supplemental Prescription Plan Part D with a premium of around $xxx
- 5. Also, my Granddaughter, whom I have legal custody of is on my group plan, so I would need to get individual coverage for her, right?
- 6. I believe that was around $350 for a plan Covered CA or direct I liked.
- 7. So I would end up with an estimated monthly expense of: Part B Medicare xxx Plan Hi F Medi Gap $xx Part D Rx $xxx Individual Plan for Grand daughter $350 For a total of xxx
- 8. On Medicare Part “B” how would she pay that premium? A. Monthly bank withdrawal?
- Answer
- 1. Yes
- 2. Correct. Here’s our page for Part B Premiums and the Surcharge on Part D
- Medi-Gap High F with Blue Shield is explained on our webpage here.
- Part D is explained in general on this page.
- 5 & 6. Coverage for dependents. You can get quotes here. We need to clarify on a case by case basis as to if an employer plan will cover dependents when the employee is covered by Medicare. In general, they will.
- 7 Yes, your calculations are correct. $350 for a young child gets you a platinum plan with Blue Shield.
- 8. Ways to pay Part B Medicare Dr. Visits are in the Medicare & You manual page 27 & 28
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Medicare vs employer group when there are
#more than 20 employees
- If you have group health coverage based on your current employment (does NOT include COBRA!) you may be able to delay Part A and Part B and won’t have to pay a lifetime late enrollment penalty if you enroll later.
- Verify with your HR or benefits manager that you have minimum essential group health plan coverage as defined under 26 U.S. Code § 5000
- See Our webpage on the Employer Tax Deduction Section 106 for the premiums paid into a Group Health Plan.
- When you retire and decide to go on Medicare, Medi Gap, Part D Rx, etc., will your employer be able to certify on form L564 E OMB No. 0938-0787 that you had qualifying Group Health Coverage. If your employer won’t or can’t fill out this form, what about your 1095 B Conformation of Employer Minimum Essential Coverage?
- Insurance ID Cards? Pay Stubs?
How you delay your Medicare coverage depends on your situation:
- If you’ll be getting benefits from Social Security or the Railroad Retirement Board (RRB) at least 4 months before you turn 65, you’ll automatically get Part A and Part B. You’ll get your red, white, and blue Medicare card in the mail 3 months before your 65th birthday.
- If you don’t want Part B, follow the instructions that came with the card. If you keep the card, you keep Part B and will pay Part B premiums.
- If you won’t be getting benefits from Social Security or the Railroad Retirement Board (RRB) at least 4 months before you turn 65, you don’t need to do anything when you turn 65.
- It’s illegal for an employer to offer any incentives to encourage you to take Medicare and drop the employer plan! Coremarkins * The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) prohibits employers with 20 or more employees from cancelling group health coverage for current employees due to age, even when such employees become eligible for Medicare. SHRM *
Links, Resources & Bibliography
- Interactive Q & A from IRS on when to sign up for Medicare
- Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services employer web page
- Fact Sheet: Medicare decisions for someone nearing age 65
- Fact Sheet: Deciding whether to enroll in Medicare Part A or Part B when you turn 65
- Fact Sheet: Medicare Decisions for Those Over 65 and Planning to Retire in the Next 6 Months
- See our module in the upper right on Should I get A & B?
FAQ’s
#Important
Let your Employer know you’re eligible for Medicare A & B
You must tell your employer if you are enrolled, or eligible to enroll, in Medicare (Part A and/or Part B coverage). Your boss is mandated to tell Medicare who is working there and is eligible for Medicare.
- cms.gov/Mandatory-Insurer-Reporting-For-Group-Health-Plans
- Employee Enrollment Application – waiver form
FAQ
- If an employee goes onto Medicare, can his #dependents stay on the group Plan?
- Yes, for dependent to be covered, the term is ELIGIBLE employee, not enrolled employee
- I got a client an $18k REFUND by doing this!
- Employer Dependent Definition
- Blue Cross Group Administrator Manual
- See waiver of coverage above, just decline for the employee due to Medicare. Don’t decline for the dependents!
- Yes, for dependent to be covered, the term is ELIGIBLE employee, not enrolled employee
General Information on
- Medicare A Hospital
- Medicare B Dr. Visits
Special Enrollment Periods SEP
When you lose Employer Coverage
When you enroll in Medi Gap beyond age 65 for Part B as you had
Qualifying #Employer Coverage
Termination of Employment or Retirement Plan
You have the right to purchase a Medi-gap policy for 6 months if your, your spouse’s or a family member’s current employment or retirement plan coverage terminates, or you lose your eligibility due to divorce or death of a spouse or family member.
The 6-month period to apply for a Medigap policy starts on the date you receive notice that your health benefits will end. If you do not receive advance notice, the 6-month period starts the date the benefits end or the date of your first denied claim. This protection of California law applies whether your group health benefits were primary or secondary to Medicare.
Our webpage on the pros & cons of Employer Coverage vs Medicare
Loss of COBRA or Cal Cobra
You are also entitled to this protection when you become eligible for COBRA (Our webpage on COBRA) or have used up all your COBRA benefits. It does not apply if you stop paying COBRA premiums before you use all your benefits. COBRA benefits are always secondary to Medicare benefits unless you have ESRD Renal Kidney Failure and are in a 30-month coordination period. For more information on COBRA, see Medicare & Other Health Insurance. CA HealthCare Advocates *
COBRA and Medicare are VERY VERY confusing. Double check with us [email protected] on your specific situation!!!
Situation 4 From Medi Gap Guaranteed Issue Guide
You received notice of termination, or your coverage was terminated from any employer-sponsored health plan, including an employer-sponsored retiree health plan. This includes termination for loss of eligibility due to divorce or death of a spouse.
Situation 11 from Medi Gap Guaranteed Issue Guide
- You enrolled in an employer-sponsored health plan that supplements Medicare, §419 (e) Welfare Benefit Plans and either of the following apply:
- The plan either terminates or ceases to provide all of those supplemental health benefits to you; or
- The employer no longer provides you with insurance that covers all of the payment for the 20% coinsurance.
- Why is there Both situation 4 and 11?
- I asked and was told # 11 applies to §419 (e) Welfare Benefit Plans
- Learn More about not enrolling in Part B if you have employer coverage
- See our main page on loss of employer coverage
MAPD Medicare Advantage &
Part D Rx
Medicare Advantage Guaranteed Issue
When you lose Employer Coverage
Our webpage on Guaranteed Issue & Enrollment Periods for MAPD Medicare Advantage & Part D Rx
Miscellaneous
FAQ’s
Please note, some of the answers may be old… check with us [email protected]
- I’ve retired early, I’m not 65 yet What do I do for Health – Medical Insurance?
- ***There are plenty of Health Plans in the Individual Market. Get quotes here.
- If your MAGI income is below 400% of Federal Poverty Level you may even qualify for subsidies – tax credits. Get a complementary quote, benefits, rates & subsidy calculation for California here.
- If you are 62+ and getting Social Security some of your Social Security is taxable and counts towards MAGI income for subsidies.
- If you are disabled, you get Medicare after two years of SSDI. If you can really live on a budget or are unfortunately forced to, there is Medi-Cal if you are under 138% of Federal Poverty Level. We don’t get paid to help you with that, so just contact Medi-Cal directly. Benefits cal.com/ Check out the Retirement Section of our website.
- ***There are plenty of Health Plans in the Individual Market. Get quotes here.
- Are Medigap policies written during the 8-month Special Enrollment Period issued subject to the same terms as terms, with regard to pre-existing conditions, as those written during the Initial Enrollment Period?
- ***We will answer your question on our Medi Gap Guaranteed Issue page.
- How do I show Medicare that I had qualifying employer coverage?
- See above under SEP Special Enrollment when you lose Group Coverage
- What Happens If I Don’t Take Part B as Soon as I’m Eligible?
- ***If you do not enroll in Medicare Part B during your initial enrollment period, you must wait for the general enrollment period (January 1- March 31 of each year) to enroll, and Part B coverage If you wait 12 months or more, after first becoming eligible, your Part B premium will go up 10 percent for each 12 months that you could have had Part B but didn’t take it. You will pay the extra 10 percent for as long as you have Part B.
- If you didn’t take Part B at age 65 because you were covered under as an active employee (or you were covered under your spouse’s group health insurance plan and he/she was an active employee), you may sign up for Part B (generally without an increased premium) within 8 months from the time you or your spouse stop working or are no longer covered by the group plan. You also can sign up at any time while you are covered by the group plan. opm.gov/medicare-part-b-coverage/
- This is a wonderful service you’re providing and I will be sure to refer my friends to you for their insurance needs.
- ***Thank you
- I’m disabled and covered under my Dad’s retirement plan. I just qualified for Medicare. Must I enroll in Part B or can that be postponed as I have employer coverage?
- What about? Medi Cal? Aged & Disabled Program? Are there programs to pay the Part B Doctor Visits and Part D Rx.
- Yes, disabled people can be covered under their parents coverage
- Check these links:
- Medicare Part B Forgiveness
- ca.db101.org/medicare/program
- Aged and Disabled Federal Poverty Level Program
- Dual Coverage? Medi Cal, Employer Group, Individual, Cal Medi Connect & Medicare.
- FAQ on Medicare.gov
Links, References & Resources
official Medicare link to enroll in Medicare Part A Hospitalization and Part B Doctor Visits.
Learn More ===>
- Medicare.gov – should I get part B?
- Publication 11036 Enrolling in Parts A & B and
- Medicare & You #10050
- Can you postpone Part A enrollment if you are covered under a Employer Group Plan?
- Early Retirement – What Health Insurance?
- Transitioning from Employer Group Coverage to Medicare
- Dual Coverage?
- the horses mouth on if you should get Part B Doctor Visits, how to enroll, COBRA Traps, etc.
- Medicare Eligibility & Premium Calculator Tool
- Part B Late Enrollment Penalty
- PBS News Hour FAQ’s Employer vs Medicare








